tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post6865347658330874534..comments2023-10-20T07:13:08.058-07:00Comments on The Articles of Indignation: Exposing the Corruption of Kip McKean's "Churches" (The ICC): [Article 10] How Kip McKean's Old Movement Fell (and what this says about the fate of the ICC)Danielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04972523578029238414noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post-25268330792010508972016-02-05T16:32:31.303-08:002016-02-05T16:32:31.303-08:00First of all, no offense, but I find this very iro...First of all, no offense, but I find this very ironic. Loosing salvation and baptism for the forgiveness of sins are actually one of the only things that the ICC teaches that is actually Biblical. When I talk about the ICC’s “unbiblical practices”; I am talking about their coercion for money, deceptive tactics, slander against critics, outright lies, and their demand for blind obedience to their “central leadership” (and of course their teachings on “central leadership” itself).<br /><br />Now they do abuse the concept of losing salvation, such as telling their Bible talk leaders to make sure all the people in their bible talk have their “special contribution” ready in order to “protect the salvation” of the members of their bible talks. The ICC has found it to be a useful intimidation tool for control, and this control is used as a means for profit. It is a very disgusting practice, however, the teaching itself of losing salvation is actually biblical. John 15:5-6, Ezekiel3:18-21, Ezekiel 18:24-26, and Romans 11:17-23 are just a few scriptures that show that loosing salvation is a biblical concept and remember that Philippians 2:12 says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.<br /><br />There are also many scriptures to support baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and if you study Christian history this was also the belief held by the early Christians. I already mentioned in article 4 how teachings contrary to this belief did not significantly arise in Christianity until the 14th century and did not become popular until the 1500’s. <br /><br />The ICC’s tactic of deception is to mix lies in with the truth. When I was recruited, losing salvation and baptism for the forgiveness of sins were presented to me during their “first principles” studies, then after I became a member they then tried to feed me their beliefs about “one-man central” leadership and the other propaganda that I mentioned throughout my articles. <br /><br />For people who leave the ICC, however, many are tempted to criticize the teachings of losing salvation and baptism for the forgiveness of sins because they cannot bring themselves to believe that these scammers could actually teach anything that is true. Such is the effect of self-biasing. It is also very tempting to cast off these beliefs because a lot of seemingly “good-hearted” churches do not teach this. People want to seek new places to socialize and therefore adapt their belief systems accordingly.<br />Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972523578029238414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post-715205390694690112016-02-05T08:26:08.962-08:002016-02-05T08:26:08.962-08:00Kip McKean has a long history of twisting Scriptur...Kip McKean has a long history of twisting Scripture to advance his agenda. He also has lied about his beginnings. Back in the days of the icoc he claimed that his doctrinal views came as revelations from God. The truth is that so called discipling ministry churches already existed. He was trained by Chuck Lucas, the pastor of the Crossroads Church of Christ in Gainesville, Florida in the late 60's. I didnt learn any of this until after I left the icoc in 1998. Every scripture that Kip uses in his doctrine is either twisted, taken out of context, or misintrepeted, either deliberately or accidentally. Some ICC doctrine is taken directly from the mainline Church of Christ. My dad's family has for a long time been members of this church. My mom's family is Baptist. The ICOC/ICC has always denounced denominational churches. The term "denomination" in regards to churches is to unite a group of churches. So, both of these groups started by Kip are denominational churches. To me, this is just one instance of hypocrisy and manipulation of many. Every biblical passage used here is used wrongly. There are two main issues of doctrine of the Church of Christ that I strongly disagree with, the teachings on baptism and the teachings on losing your salvation. I can back up everything with Scripture. (I include the ICOC and ICC with the Church of Christ here since Kip got his start in the Cof C.) I am not bringing this up just for kicks. On the salvation issue alone I think it is sad that some people live in fear of losing their salvation. People dont have to feel this way.Joe Cool 67https://www.blogger.com/profile/08468515171816958973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post-37061569773966796482016-02-02T08:48:05.280-08:002016-02-02T08:48:05.280-08:00Sorry, Daniel. Got your name wrong.Sorry, Daniel. Got your name wrong.Joe Cool 67https://www.blogger.com/profile/08468515171816958973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post-54483503232093912842016-02-02T08:45:39.942-08:002016-02-02T08:45:39.942-08:00Doug, I was a member of the ICOC Atlanta church fo...Doug, I was a member of the ICOC Atlanta church for a year and a half in 1997-98. My experience was not nearly as traumatic as a lot of former members. That being said, the church was doing some of the same unbiblical practices and abuses that Kip Mckean is doing now. The Atlanta church was a large congregation (about 5000) . My brother is still in the ICOC in Atlanta, although it reformed after kip got fired. The Atlanta church split into about 12 different separate congregations. I was never shunned by my friends in the church after I left, which I know is unusual. I left because of doctrinal issues. I am a Christian. Iwas a Christian before the ICOC and I will always be. Contrary to what the Church of Christ (from which the ICOC and ICC came from) you cant lose your salvation. Kip twisted Scripture, misinterpreted Scripture, and justified his doctrines by employing eisegesus, which means inserting your own agenda into the Word of God. Your experience in the ICC tell me that kip and his cronies have gotten even more fanatical and cultic. Their love of money and power is much worse than in the ICOC. There are many, many unscriptual and unbiblical practices that I wont list here. The ICC is a dangerous cult. Anyone that wants more info from me need only askJoe Cool 67https://www.blogger.com/profile/08468515171816958973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7834523366066076881.post-24727943356369799852016-01-20T14:32:28.462-08:002016-01-20T14:32:28.462-08:00From an anonymous email:
From kipmckean.com - &qu...From an anonymous email:<br /><br />From kipmckean.com - "Concerning “the evangelization of the nations in this generation,” some have asked, “What is going to be different this ‘second time’ around?” This presupposes the question, “Can it be different this second time?” The answer in the Scriptures is a resounding yes! The first time the Israelites approached the Promised Land, their lack of faith led them to the dreadful desires to choose a different leader than the one God had chosen and to return to their lives of slavery in Egypt. This unbelief ultimately resulted in their death in the desert. The second time the Spirit led the Israelites to the border of the Promised Land, the Hebrew people – having learned to rely on God in their wanderings in the desert – now succeeded to make God’s dream and promise a reality."<br /><br />So Kip blames a lack of faith and the "dreadful desires to choose a different leader than the one God had chosen" as the reasons for the first failure. Wow, if that's not arrogance, I don't know what is - comparing himself to Moses. He accepts zero responsibility. <br />Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04972523578029238414noreply@blogger.com